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oldjudge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:32 pmLOL, Othello is referred to as Othello; no one refer to The Tempest as Tempest.M and M wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:33 pmAgreed that Matt would not normally require that kind of anagram. However, the full name of Macbeth is "The Tragedie of Macbeth" and the full name of Othello is "Othello, the Moor of Venice" so using Tempest makes as much sense as using Othello. I think both answers should be accepted.oldjudge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:05 am As Joe said the play is The Tempest, not Tempest, so it doesn't work. Secondly, as a tip for solving Matt's puzzles, Matt is too polished to give solvers a random group of letters to anagram for a solution. Almost always the letters composing the answer will be found in grid order. If you have to anagram to get your answer be very skeptical of what you have.
No one except - oh, wait for it, I guess some people do:
https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/v ... /plays.php
Shakespeare's plays,
listed by genre
List plays by title + word count + speech count + date
COMEDIES
All's Well That Ends Well
As You Like It
Comedy of Errors
Love's Labour's Lost
Measure for Measure
Merchant of Venice
Merry Wives of Windsor
Midsummer Night's Dream
Much Ado about Nothing
Taming of the Shrew
Tempest
Twelfth Night
Two Gentlemen of Verona
Winter's Tale
M and M wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:40 amAs Matt notes on Crossword Fiend, once you click on a link for a play the proper article is restored.oldjudge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:32 pmLOL, Othello is referred to as Othello; no one refer to The Tempest as Tempest.M and M wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:33 pm
Agreed that Matt would not normally require that kind of anagram. However, the full name of Macbeth is "The Tragedie of Macbeth" and the full name of Othello is "Othello, the Moor of Venice" so using Tempest makes as much sense as using Othello. I think both answers should be accepted.
No one except - oh, wait for it, I guess some people do:
https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/v ... /plays.php
Shakespeare's plays,
listed by genre
List plays by title + word count + speech count + date
COMEDIES
All's Well That Ends Well
As You Like It
Comedy of Errors
Love's Labour's Lost
Measure for Measure
Merchant of Venice
Merry Wives of Windsor
Midsummer Night's Dream
Much Ado about Nothing
Taming of the Shrew
Tempest
Twelfth Night
Two Gentlemen of Verona
Winter's Tale
https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/v ... ID=tempest
Or to quote Conrad from Crossword Fiend:Dplass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:39 amExcept when you're required to anagram because the only rule of Club Team is that there are no rules of Meta Club.boharr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:20 amLesson: Beware anagramming unless clued or directed to do so.Bird Lives wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 am
And when they're not in grid order, they're in clue order.
I see what you did there.Dplass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:39 amExcept when you're required to anagram because the only rule of Club Team is that there are no rules of Meta Club.boharr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:20 amLesson: Beware anagramming unless clued or directed to do so.Bird Lives wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 am
And when they're not in grid order, they're in clue order.
A 4 in the olden days based on the rated metas of yore.
So true!!boharr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:45 am Or to quote Conrad from Crossword Fiend:
In my experience: anagramming for an answer is a pretty sure indicator that you’re in the wrong rabbit hole, unless anagramming is implied by the title or notes. If an anagram does work: I go back to the grid to find the intended order. I’ve done that successfully on a few recent MMMMs. If I don’t find any logical grid order (across then down, left to right, etc): I know I don’t have the answer.
@howardl makes this point & @DBMiller suggests antiundisanagramming, then finding proper order, in the following post. Both make excellent points & great suggestions, along with @Conrad.BarbaraK wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:16 pmSo true!!boharr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:45 am Or to quote Conrad from Crossword Fiend:
In my experience: anagramming for an answer is a pretty sure indicator that you’re in the wrong rabbit hole, unless anagramming is implied by the title or notes. If an anagram does work: I go back to the grid to find the intended order. I’ve done that successfully on a few recent MMMMs. If I don’t find any logical grid order (across then down, left to right, etc): I know I don’t have the answer.
@Conrad should put this on the Hints for Solving viewtopic.php?t=49 page
They're more like guidelines, anyway.Dplass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:39 amExcept when you're required to anagram because the only rule of Club Team is that there are no rules of Meta Club.boharr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:20 amLesson: Beware anagramming unless clued or directed to do so.Bird Lives wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 am
And when they're not in grid order, they're in clue order.
Certainly the infamous PAGEANT puzzle; only 13% got it right and the vast majority of the others submitted "bowl games".
And yet I still couldn't win the mug. (grumblegrumblegrumble) At least a Muggle got it!
I bet they are relieved that they didn't have to adjudicate that one! At least they considered it.MikeMillerwsj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:34 am A lot of discussion this week (here, the Crossword Fiend blog) on whether OTHERS was acceptable (initial letters of the alternatives with "Tempest" as the Shakespeare play). We had 344 entries with OTHERS, more than for the correct answer! (Also 75 for CHOOSE.) We tend to agree that OTHERS is a bit inelegant, that common usage is to refer to "Othello" (even if it has a longer name historically in some editions) and "The Tempest" but it's a nice guess on a tough week. In any event we did not have to adjudicate the matter because our randomly chosen entry had OPTION.
Not a chance.
Thanks! Glad I didn't see all the rabbit holes others mentioned!Flying_Burrito wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:14 pmDouble congrats since you were also on page 1
Hee hee, they always seem to luck out and not have to adjudicate these controversies.