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MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 1:01 pm
by DrTom
I guess we should have put up a message "The MEOW will be delayed until 1:00 PM Thursday, sorry for the inconvenience". Josh was busy, I was asleep at the wheel BUT here it is a day late. Hopefully people will still stop and take a look. I won't try to handicap this puzzle because I do a bad job, but I think it should be relatively quick to spot what I'm going for.

Think of this as the inaugural (and no doubt last) MEOTSDAWSC!

The meta answer is a popular frozen dessert.

There will be Nudges Friday if needed.

For now the Crosshare link is the only thing available, but the puz and pdf should be on line later.

"Before and After" - Crosshare
(NOTE: If you enjoy solving on Crosshare, help keep the site running by donating a few bucks).

"Before and After" - PUZ

"Before and After" - PDF

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Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:12 pm
by whimsy
Whew! I knew I'd met up with this critter before, perhaps a couple of months ago? -- while testing? or at a crazy noisy party?
But for longer than I care to admit, I was thinking I would have to go hide behind the potted plant, or make use of a lampshade, because...
I COULDN'T REMEMBER ITS NAME!
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Solved now, but dontcha hate when that happens?

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:57 pm
by schmidzy
There's no hope for me if the only person to solve it so far had already test solved it!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:06 am
by DrTom
whimsy wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 10:12 pm Whew! I knew I'd met up with this critter before, perhaps a couple of months ago? -- while testing? or at a crazy noisy party?
But for longer than I care to admit, I was thinking I would have to go hide behind the potted plant, or make use of a lampshade, because...
I COULDN'T REMEMBER ITS NAME!
Untitledcatlampshade.png
Solved now, but dontcha hate when that happens?
Nothing is worse...well maybe if the person whose name you don't remember comes up to you when you are with your significant other and greets you like a long lost friend. Then you have to fake some kind of introduction.

Thanks for re-solving Claudia.

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:09 am
by DrTom
schmidzy wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 10:57 pm There's no hope for me if the only person to solve it so far had already test solved it!
Don't despair, actually the is one other solver but they are on Crosshare, and besides because it was late I don't know how many folks have actually tried it. If you were going through the puzzle and thought to yourself at some point, "boy you know what that makes me think of" you were probably right!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 1:44 am
by woozy
Wait! So the Hitchcock meta question is no more? I'm about 85% percent of the way through my Hitchcock meta...

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 6:59 am
by benchen71
I've completed the grid. Not seeing anything yet...

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 9:14 am
by madhatter5
woozy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 1:44 am Wait! So the Hitchcock meta question is no more? I'm about 85% percent of the way through my Hitchcock meta...
I pulled it because it did not seem to be popular (and people were confused how it should work). But I want to see your meta anyway!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:22 am
by schmidzy
Oh! I got it (and confirmed on Crosshare)! Thanks, @DrTom!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:27 am
by Joe Ross
madhatter5 wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 9:14 am
woozy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 1:44 am Wait! So the Hitchcock meta question is no more? I'm about 85% percent of the way through my Hitchcock meta...
I pulled it because it did not seem to be popular (and people were confused how it should work). But I want to see your meta anyway!
Looking forward to solving this Hitchcock-themed-MEOW-to-be-#ed-later.

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 11:00 am
by woozy
hmm... Have the grid. I think I know what I need to do but I think this may be a matter of batting at threads and thinking "is this strong enough".

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:23 pm
by DrTom
benchen71 wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 6:59 am I've completed the grid. Not seeing anything yet...
WARNING - the answer is not spelled out, it is derived!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:25 pm
by DrTom
Joe Ross wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 10:27 am
madhatter5 wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 9:14 am
woozy wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 1:44 am Wait! So the Hitchcock meta question is no more? I'm about 85% percent of the way through my Hitchcock meta...
I pulled it because it did not seem to be popular (and people were confused how it should work). But I want to see your meta anyway!
Looking forward to solving this Hitchcock-themed-MEOW-to-be-#ed-later.
Sounds mysterious to me! The chills are already going down my spine.

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 1:24 pm
by Katiedid
Solved. That was fun!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 6:07 pm
by DrTom
OK, so I kind of expected that when this was not available Wednesday it would be a slow starter. All the same we have
1 DIS
2 whimsy
3 DJB
4 Pair O Ducks
5 boharr
6 Katiedid

who have solved and there are a bunch more who are trying or submitted incorrect answers. I think it is time for a round of nudges...

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 6:08 pm
by DrTom
Before and After Nudges:

I have already mentioned this, but to reiterate, the answer is not spelled out, it is implied.

"before and after" refers to the position of each part of the answer (which happens 4 times)

There are certain words that you see that immediately bring to mind other words

What was the first thing that popped into your head when you read clue 21A and filled in the answer

Ditto the above for 49A, did you say "Oh yes, the Spanish Explorer

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 6:14 pm
by hoover
Oh dear, I needed all those nudges, but the cat is out of the bag/box/couch!

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:00 pm
by ReB
Second nudge did it for me - cat is out of the bag.

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:06 pm
by MatthewL
Needed the nudges, but really clever puzzle. Cat has been loosed, and just in time for the weekend.

Re: MEOW #128 Before And After

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:34 pm
by benchen71
I'm still not seeing anything in this one, even with all the nudges. I think @DrTom is getting his own back for my Strine puzzle! :D