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Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:07 pm
by Cinny
I got the hint and am on the leaderboard.
I'm not sure I would have gotten it without the hint, but only because of the title, which I interpreted incorrectly and ended up going down many rabbit holes.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:22 pm
by ajk
HunterX wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:04 pm
"To take the hint, or not to take the hint? That is the question.
FWIW when I saw the hint I was flabbergasted that we hadn't thought to try it. That said, we thought of a lot of stuff and this wasn't one of them, so maybe it's just harder to see than it seems in retrospect. Apologies if this is not helpful in evaluating the desirability of the bare bodkin.
ETA: on the board at #20
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:27 pm
by CalRhody
HunterX wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:04 pm
CalRhody wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:33 pm
I definitely needed the hint to eliminate several wrong paths. But in retrospect, I have faith that some more of you can get this without the hint. Not sure if others agree?
You're making it tempting for me to continue to try without the hint. On the Zoom we discussed how it must be relatively easy if PM thought it would be much easier to solve. @Joe Ross said it might turn out to be the SADdest puzzle ever. However...
ky-mike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:37 pm
I'm glad I got the hint. I looked way too long at this on my own and with some pretty smart solvers. I wonder how many will still try and solve without the hint.
...I was on the Zoom with @ky-mike and those smart solvers, and we tried many avenues that lead nowhere.
"To take the hint, or not to take the hint? That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the dead-end rabbit holes of Muller's meta, or take hints against a sea of confusion, and by doing so, lose the mug?"
I personally have no regrets in taking the hint. I would just be surprised if one or two more solvers besides JanglerNPL and LL don't get there without the hint. (Sorry, I know this probably doesn't help with your decision at all
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Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:29 pm
by auee89
Got it with the hint. Whew!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:34 pm
by Joe Ross
The Hint is written poorly. I expect it to be corrected & sent out to all who've requested it.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:52 pm
by MikeM000
I have not utilized the hint yet but reading it...man were my rabbit holes wrong!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:55 pm
by Schmeel
I requested the hint and then solved the meta.
On the board!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:06 pm
by ChrisKochmanski
Got it!
With the hint.
Very cool!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:52 pm
by woozy
The hint.... can't possibly be right.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:10 pm
by oldjudge
I’m pretty sure I got it without a hint. I want to think it through for a few minutes before I submit but I am pretty confident. Submitted and confirmed—-YAHOO!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:17 pm
by Laura M
On the board, with the hint! Partial credit is better than none.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:22 pm
by oldjudge
It looks like everyone has gotten the same number of points for solving it whether they have gotten a clue or not.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:29 pm
by auee89
oldjudge wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:22 pm
It looks like everyone has gotten the same number of points for solving it whether they have gotten a clue or not.
So far. I could see them coming back and discounting those email addresses that requested a hint a point after the puzzle closes. Who knows.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:32 pm
by oldjudge
Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other—just happy to have finally seen the light.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:34 pm
by Joe Ross
Solved after the hint, which needed to be "solved" first.
Jay! You have a 1 in 3 chance of winning this month's mug!
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm
by oldjudge
LOL, I only win mugs when the constructor gives them to everyone, like what Will has done.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:01 pm
by woozy
Joe Ross wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:34 pm
Solved after the hint, which needed to be "solved" first.
But we all got the same hint, didn't we?
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:03 pm
by Joe Ross
woozy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:01 pm
Joe Ross wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:34 pm
Solved after the hint, which needed to be "solved" first.
But we all got the same hint, didn't we?
Yes. It was written poorly, but its intent was not too difficult to discern.
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:12 pm
by woozy
Joe Ross wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:03 pm
woozy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:01 pm
Joe Ross wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:34 pm
Solved after the hint, which needed to be "solved" first.
But we all got the same hint, didn't we?
Yes. It was written poorly, but its intent was not too difficult to discern.
I felt quite differently. I thought it was perfectly clearly written, its intent unambiguous, but its application not humanly possible.
What did you think was poorly written about it?
Re: Six Characters in Search of a Pop Song
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:14 pm
by Joe Ross
woozy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:12 pm
Joe Ross wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:03 pm
woozy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:01 pm
But we all got the same hint, didn't we?
Yes. It was written poorly, but its intent was not too difficult to discern.
I felt quite differently. I thought it was perfectly clearly written, its intent unambiguous, but its application not humanly possible.
What did you think was poorly written about it?
At this point, all I can say is "the words used." More post-deadline.
