#15 - "Étrange Échange"

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#15 - "Étrange Échange"

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The answer to PGW #15 is a plural noun that is five letters in English.

There is a hard version and an easy version, though PGW warns that the easy version is not a gimme.

Happy solving!
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I just did the grid on the "easy" version, and don't think anyone need worry about the easy version being too easy!
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I'm doing the hard version, and I've got nothing.
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I got the first step(s) fairly quickly (something jumped out), and thought the final answer would just as quickly emerge as a result. It hasn't yet. I do have something... now I've got to figure out what to do with it.
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Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm I got the first step(s) fairly quickly (something jumped out), and thought the final answer would just as quickly emerge as a result. It hasn't yet. I do have something... now I've got to figure out what to do with it.
...and two minutes later, it hit me (if it's right).
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Tough grid. So far, nothing on the meta.
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Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:52 pm
Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm I got the first step(s) fairly quickly (something jumped out), and thought the final answer would just as quickly emerge as a result. It hasn't yet. I do have something... now I've got to figure out what to do with it.
...and two minutes later, it hit me (if it's right).
Are you doing the hard or easy version?
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This is a seriously great one, assuming I did it right. (If I didn't, then probably it's even better than I thought.) But like many PGW puzzles so far, it would be very difficult to figure out without some particular knowledge.
Edited to add: Surprisingly, I did the hard version.
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Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:52 pm
Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm I got the first step(s) fairly quickly (something jumped out), and thought the final answer would just as quickly emerge as a result. It hasn't yet. I do have something... now I've got to figure out what to do with it.
...and two minutes later, it hit me (if it's right).
I suspect I'm in the former position, posting so that I'll get the insight in two minutes . . .
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I did the hard version. Gnarly grid. I eventually got an answer, though the last step seemed somewhat weird. Anyway, I sent it in. We'll see.
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Huh, I wonder if the only answer I've identified is correct after all, then. It doesn't not make sense, but it seems to discard material from the previous steps in an unusual way. I'll wait for someone to declare that it's 100%...
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Tina wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:53 pm
Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:52 pm
Al Sisti wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm I got the first step(s) fairly quickly (something jumped out), and thought the final answer would just as quickly emerge as a result. It hasn't yet. I do have something... now I've got to figure out what to do with it.
...and two minutes later, it hit me (if it's right).
Are you doing the hard or easy version?
I did the hard one...
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Peter responded and my answer was correct. The last step is still awkward IMHO.
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Do I get bonus points for doing this meta on graph paper as I was celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary in Slovenia? Started it after dinner last night and finished it (I'm pretty sure) on a bus ride today. I did the easier version, and misinterpreted one of the helpful hints in it, which slowed me down quite a bit. But it was fun to have one where I knew I was on the right track but would have to work at it.
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Finally got it (I'm pretty sure, too). My earlier answer was sensible in its way, but not nearly as satisfying, as the last step was too much out of left field. I did the hard one, and I'd recommend trying that one because I'm not sure exactly who the hints in the easy version will help; if you have the knowledge the meta draws on (and not everyone does), the hints will be unnecessary, and if you don't, they will probably be insufficient. Another solid construction from PGW!

Congrats on your 25th FrankieHeck!
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FrankieHeck wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 pm Do I get bonus points for doing this meta on graph paper as I was celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary in Slovenia? Started it after dinner last night and finished it (I'm pretty sure) on a bus ride today. I did the easier version, and misinterpreted one of the helpful hints in it, which slowed me down quite a bit. But it was fun to have one where I knew I was on the right track but would have to work at it.
Being in Slovenia is bonus points enough. Interestingly, an earlier version of this grid had SLOVENIA at 53-across!
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Meg wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:57 am Peter responded and my answer was correct. The last step is still awkward IMHO.
I agree it's unexpected, and it takes a bit of a leap to get there, but I think it ties everything up very neatly!
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I finally figured it out. The last step seems logical to me.
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pgw wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:11 pm
FrankieHeck wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 pm Do I get bonus points for doing this meta on graph paper as I was celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary in Slovenia? Started it after dinner last night and finished it (I'm pretty sure) on a bus ride today. I did the easier version, and misinterpreted one of the helpful hints in it, which slowed me down quite a bit. But it was fun to have one where I knew I was on the right track but would have to work at it.
Being in Slovenia is bonus points enough. Interestingly, an earlier version of this grid had SLOVENIA at 53-across!
I haven't gotten the answer, but it is sure nice seeing that you're participating in our cruise group.

Love the puzzles, by the way.
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Wow - what a journey! Really enjoyed this one.

I solved the hard version and gutted it out step by step. Got to the last step through what may have been a side door - am wondering if that side door was intentional. From looking at the easy version I ultimately got there the intended way.

Thanks very much to Peter for all these great puzzles! This one in particular was very satisfying.
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