"A Sail of Two Cities" - June 18, 2021
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Aaargh. Hasn't anyone else noticed that the first letters of the title are an anagram for" coast" a perfectly good answer in my opinion. What's killing me is that 'water' was my default answer if I couldn't find a solution.
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Me too. I figure if I don't know how to get there to the degree that I need a nudge, then I'm not going to submit, so I might as well wait until Monday to see how it all went down. In the meantime, I keep coming back to it over the weekend to see whether I have any fresh ideas.
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If you're on a boat in a rabbit hole, that's either a tiny boat or an enormous rabbit hole!Bob cruise director wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:40 pmDon't you love it when you are on the boat, in some deep rabbit hole and you have not one, but two spoilers redacted. And you still have no clue why what you said was a spoiler. - been there, done that
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Looking at the answer and how it was obtained ... I had all of the cities correct, and I had gone as far as writing out the body of water that connected each, but didn't get to step 3 of finding their initials in the 3LW. Even if I had, I may not have gotten to the answer because I had Mohawk River connecting Utica and Rome.
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
- I found a sort of a word ladder in SCARFS SCARES SCALES SCALP (missing its S)
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
- I found a sort of a word ladder in SCARFS SCARES SCALES SCALP (missing its S)
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Same.hoover wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:44 pm Looking at the answer and how it was obtained ... I had all of the cities correct, and I had gone as far as writing out the body of water that connected each, but didn't get to step 3 of finding their initials in the 3LW. Even if I had, I may not have gotten to the answer because I had Mohawk River connecting Utica and Rome.
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
- I found a sort of a word ladder in SCARFS SCARES SCALES SCALP (missing its S)
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I'm loving the nudges discussion and every point of view. A notable feature of our discussion is that it does not get heated.
I have strong opinions, one of which is that nudges to muggles new to the format help them become veteran solvers & helpers of future muggles. This process is, by its nature, very welcoming, which helps this community grow.
Personally, through this process, I have found the world's best co-solver (sorry folks, but I got lucky and I admit to benefiting more than my partner in this relationship), as well as the process of co-solving, itself. If you haven't experienced co-solving, you must. It introduces an entirely new, fun, and entertaining dynamic. Nearly all of our WSJCCs (and the excellent muggle, &c, puzzles shared here) are solo solves where there is a one-on-one competition added to the mix. Co-solving is usually reserved for Weeks 4 & 5 of MGWCC, but there are (:::cough:::) exceptions.
I don't discount those who prefer no nudges, whether for themselves or, as ideal only, for all. I understand it. I applaud & admire their discipline & talent.
No matter where you stand, @Bob cruise director put it perfectly,
Remember two things
We are doing this for our own enjoyment on our own terms.
The most you can win is a mug.
I have strong opinions, one of which is that nudges to muggles new to the format help them become veteran solvers & helpers of future muggles. This process is, by its nature, very welcoming, which helps this community grow.
Personally, through this process, I have found the world's best co-solver (sorry folks, but I got lucky and I admit to benefiting more than my partner in this relationship), as well as the process of co-solving, itself. If you haven't experienced co-solving, you must. It introduces an entirely new, fun, and entertaining dynamic. Nearly all of our WSJCCs (and the excellent muggle, &c, puzzles shared here) are solo solves where there is a one-on-one competition added to the mix. Co-solving is usually reserved for Weeks 4 & 5 of MGWCC, but there are (:::cough:::) exceptions.
I don't discount those who prefer no nudges, whether for themselves or, as ideal only, for all. I understand it. I applaud & admire their discipline & talent.
No matter where you stand, @Bob cruise director put it perfectly,
Remember two things
We are doing this for our own enjoyment on our own terms.
The most you can win is a mug.
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Or even 5:08. Would be faster if I could space-bar to switch directions and ALT-TAB to move backwards.SReh26 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:57 am For those smarting from the meta, or otherwise seeking a mood boost on a Manic Monday, may I recommend the wsj Monday crossword, which can be done in 9 minutes and seven seconds?
And if you want to ask me how I know, oh I’ll tell ya. If you really want to know.... with apologies to Ralph Kramden.
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That's a little bit of irony there.
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Not true! You can win Internet fame and bragging rights for a whole week if you make it to the front page!Joe Ross wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:47 pm I'm loving the nudges discussion and every point of view. A notable feature of our discussion is that it does not get heated.
(snip)
No matter where you stand, @Bob cruise director put it perfectly,
Remember two things
We are doing this for our own enjoyment on our own terms.
The most you can win is a mug.
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I spent a lot of time in that rabbit hole, too, but couldn't find anything that corresponded to RIVER or CANAL.HunterX wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:07 am Before I finally figured out the correct second step, I got caught up in the "Find an anagram of the [word] in other clues with one letter extra/off" rabbit hole. I noticed that there are anagrams of 'SEA' and 'LAKE' with one letter to change, and 3 for 'OCEAN'. Kept searching for 'CANAL' and 'RIVER' until my eyes went blurry.
Another hole I should be paying rent for, given the amount of time I spent there: Because the five types of body of water were all different, I fixated on them, and combined with "Sail" in the title, thought it could be types of vessel associated with RIVER, OCEAN, CANAL, LAKE and SEA. Got as far as river BOAT, ocean LINER, canal BARGE, but couldn't come up with one for lake or sea, and BLB wasn't a promising start.
Thus ends a four-week winning streak.
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Yes, I had thought WINDY at first. I saw RWR and thought the “w” replaced a “v” in “River” abbrev. then saw “yea” and thought that’s one letter off from “sea”. Next came “Cal” and that’s one letter off from “can” short for canal! So I had w - n -y. I thought had to be “windy” that fits with sailing. But then I couldn’t find the I or D.... but I did see the real path as I was investigating “LEM”!!rosiegirl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:50 amI guess no one came up with my answer....WINDY...which I was sure was correct until I was told otherwise?MikeMillerwsj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:20 am This contest was a Matt Gaffney special, taking solvers down an elegantly tangled trail with several
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Come to the Q&A with Matt on June 29. I am sure we will talk about red herrings and rabbit holes. Based on what the constructors have said in the past they don't have to create these red herrings - our mind will do that all by itself - terrifyinghoover wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:44 pm Looking at the answer and how it was obtained ... I had all of the cities correct, and I had gone as far as writing out the body of water that connected each, but didn't get to step 3 of finding their initials in the 3LW. Even if I had, I may not have gotten to the answer because I had Mohawk River connecting Utica and Rome.
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
- I found a sort of a word ladder in SCARFS SCARES SCALES SCALP (missing its S)
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A quick note which will be posted a couple of places here. Tomorrow Matt will be sending over one of his early MGWCC that we can all do as a discussion topic for June 29
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I immediately recognized the Rhine and Erie Canal and was able to guess Mediterranean, but what hung me up for so long was not realizing there were two words in each body of water. Once I got to that point I remembered Matt’s previous puzzle and ETC, so was soon able to finish. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out ROCLS and RPEMM. I was also grateful Matt clearly stated “miles” with the numbers — I’m not sure I would have understood them without the unit of measure.
Also had that Erie Canal song rolling around my brain all weekend.
Also had that Erie Canal song rolling around my brain all weekend.
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To some nudgees I mentioned a yen for Chinese food, since PAO was my aha moment.
This may have been too subtle of a nudge for some and or caused a sudden steep decline in my credibility with them.
However I consider myself redeemed
This may have been too subtle of a nudge for some and or caused a sudden steep decline in my credibility with them.
However I consider myself redeemed
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Or even 2:20 I will admit, though, that I use a link to solve in Across Lite, because the online wsj interface makes me crazy.hoover wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:57 pmOr even 5:08. Would be faster if I could space-bar to switch directions and ALT-TAB to move backwards.SReh26 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:57 am For those smarting from the meta, or otherwise seeking a mood boost on a Manic Monday, may I recommend the wsj Monday crossword, which can be done in 9 minutes and seven seconds?
And if you want to ask me how I know, oh I’ll tell ya. If you really want to know.... with apologies to Ralph Kramden.
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Looked at those too - but then “Rhine River” and RWR clicked and I was off to the races.hoover wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:44 pm Looking at the answer and how it was obtained ... I had all of the cities correct, and I had gone as far as writing out the body of water that connected each, but didn't get to step 3 of finding their initials in the 3LW. Even if I had, I may not have gotten to the answer because I had Mohawk River connecting Utica and Rome.
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
- I found a sort of a word ladder in SCARFS SCARES SCALES SCALP (missing its S)
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I'm with Wendy on GENOA as a good guess, even though I never knew there was a genoa sail until Googling for this solve. And like so many others, I also researched aquatic vessels as well as types of sails.
As for the mileage, I'm sure Matt will explain that the figures, while not NAUTICAL miles, are land miles (5,280 feet) over bodies of water connecting the two cities under consideration. (I would like to know his source for the distance of the trip up the Rhine. And did he have to convert kilometres?)
I also noticed the SCARFS, SCARES, SCALES sequence (setting aside SCALP). But what I should have taken notice of much sooner was the preponderance of three-letter entries (30 out of 76), which is rare, I think, in construction of crosswords at this level. The number and placement of the 15-letter entries no doubt made that high number necessary, and, of course, five of them supplied the final key to the meta.
Finally, can we agree that this was beyond three stars on the difficulty scale? I mean, only some 533 Earthlings in the universe submitted correct solutions, and the puzzle stumped at least three of the constellation of Muggles stars!
As for the mileage, I'm sure Matt will explain that the figures, while not NAUTICAL miles, are land miles (5,280 feet) over bodies of water connecting the two cities under consideration. (I would like to know his source for the distance of the trip up the Rhine. And did he have to convert kilometres?)
I also noticed the SCARFS, SCARES, SCALES sequence (setting aside SCALP). But what I should have taken notice of much sooner was the preponderance of three-letter entries (30 out of 76), which is rare, I think, in construction of crosswords at this level. The number and placement of the 15-letter entries no doubt made that high number necessary, and, of course, five of them supplied the final key to the meta.
Finally, can we agree that this was beyond three stars on the difficulty scale? I mean, only some 533 Earthlings in the universe submitted correct solutions, and the puzzle stumped at least three of the constellation of Muggles stars!
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Me as well!Dplass wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:47 pmSame.hoover wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:44 pm Looking at the answer and how it was obtained ... I had all of the cities correct, and I had gone as far as writing out the body of water that connected each, but didn't get to step 3 of finding their initials in the 3LW. Even if I had, I may not have gotten to the answer because I had Mohawk River connecting Utica and Rome.
Rabbit holes:
- I tried playing with the directions (N, E, NW, NNW, NE) and that went nowhere.
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I also wondered whether ABBA was a hint, as in point A to point B and back to point A. So I started looking for islands or destinations midway between the two cities, but of course that was a dead end.