MGWCC #885 -- "Taking the Fifth"
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Beamed yesterday after bringing up the rear of the group solve. Tough but fair.
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Waiting for beam, I definitely needed the hint and some time to let things marinate!
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Beamed. Wow. I got the main idea while on my walk and it still took some doing to finish it off.
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I groaned a bit when I saw that was his hint, haha. That's par for the course!Katiedid wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 12:10 pm Darn. I was excited that Matt sent a hint, but I'd already considered that. It's pretty much standard procedure, but it's not helping me![]()
I'll ask for a nudge later.
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Myself, I'm not much bothered by MGWCC's irregular publishing schedule. For me, MGWCC has, over the years, become a wild adventure, and the unpredictability is part of the ride. But that's me.
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I like docison's characterization of these metas as works of art. Yes, the delays are an inconvenience but a minor one. My only complaint is that the Wednesday deadline means that those of us on the Tuesday evening Zoom often can't discuss the puzzle in much detail
As a sometime constructor, what I'm really curious about is the cause of the delays. This is a guy who whipped up a Leo XIV meta while the white smoke was still visible in the Rome sky. I wish he would do a post-meta explaining what the difficulties in construction were.
As a sometime constructor, what I'm really curious about is the cause of the delays. This is a guy who whipped up a Leo XIV meta while the white smoke was still visible in the Rome sky. I wish he would do a post-meta explaining what the difficulties in construction were.
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I'm absolutely flabbergasted by the predictive ability. "I'm not finished but I should have it done by noon". How on earth can anyone predict how long a crossword is going to take to construct?Bird Lives wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 6:16 am I like docison's characterization of these metas as works of art. Yes, the delays are an inconvenience but a minor one. My only complaint is that the Wednesday deadline means that those of us on the Tuesday evening Zoom often can't discuss the puzzle in much detail
As a sometime constructor, what I'm really curious about is the cause of the delays. This is a guy who whipped up a Leo XIV meta while the white smoke was still visible in the Rome sky. I wish he would do a post-meta explaining what the difficulties in construction were.
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FINALLY beamed up with the solo solve. Some large quibbles aside, I really enjoyed this puzzle! Lots of cool (albeit tough) things going on here.
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I can understand both points from HoldThatThought and docison about the delays. Jumping into the world of meta crosswords helped me cope with a difficult pregnancy and being on bedrest. So naturally, when the MGWCC was delayed, I would be a bit disappointed. I can imagine a long-time solver with a greater appreciation for Gaffney puzzles might feel even more disappointed.
92 puzzles later (still probably peanuts to some of you out there), the MGWCC still helps me enjoy my very little downtime over the weekend. I selfishly can’t say I still feel the same about the delays now, because I’ve benefited more than a few times when the deadline has been pushed ahead. I can also now only imagine how tricky it must be to make a meta crossword appropriate for the week level, free of errors, test-solved, enjoyed by the masses and on time. But I do understand both posts.
92 puzzles later (still probably peanuts to some of you out there), the MGWCC still helps me enjoy my very little downtime over the weekend. I selfishly can’t say I still feel the same about the delays now, because I’ve benefited more than a few times when the deadline has been pushed ahead. I can also now only imagine how tricky it must be to make a meta crossword appropriate for the week level, free of errors, test-solved, enjoyed by the masses and on time. But I do understand both posts.
Shannon 
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Awaiting beamage, but with confirmation from a nudger. My better half and I got most of it on our own, but had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of some nasty rabbit holes. Amazed at the varied ideas Matt comes up with... wow!
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Did he officially announce that it's Wednesday anywhere? I know that's been the common practice, but maybe not universally so?Bird Lives wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 6:16 am My only complaint is that the Wednesday deadline means that those of us on the Tuesday evening Zoom often can't discuss the puzzle in much detail
ETA: per Matt's recent email
Matt wrote: Dear Solver,
My apologies! I forgot to include the usual note when a puzzle is published late (as has been happening all too often lately) that the deadline is pushed back until Wednesday. That's the case this week, so the deadline for MGWCC #885 is Wednesday, May 21st, at noon ET.
--Matt
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Short version, I've been keeping track of late puzzles too. (Longer version isHoldThatThought wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 11:14 am Since Puzzle #700, seventy-six of the one hundred and eighty six MGWCCs have been delayed, or entirely postponed. That's almost 41%.
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I share in the minor annoyance because a Saturday release means I can't print it out at work, which often makes late-month puzzles way harder

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Whew! That was hard.
I needed a nudge, but I still went down a lot of rabbit holes. The final aha was fun.
(The official hint didn't help.)
I needed a nudge, but I still went down a lot of rabbit holes. The final aha was fun.
(The official hint didn't help.)
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HoldThatThought's comment on this thread is of course completely correct and fair, and kindly worded to boot.
I'll respond on my site on Friday since I think it's something a lot of solvers have been (justly) irritated by.
I'll respond on my site on Friday since I think it's something a lot of solvers have been (justly) irritated by.