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Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:18 am
by zacmoretz
OGuyDave wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 am I dabbled, befogged, asea, fazed. Had an idea, and exceeded each daffy ragged defect. Yea! Gaffnee gem! Bye / G'Day. Feedback?
Awesome Dave!!!!!

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 am
by zacmoretz
Y’all are kind of brutal on the ratings. I thought it was a great fun puzzle. Fun/clever rating is a four at least. Difficulty rating, OK, if I figured it out on a Saturday, it must have been pretty easy.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:52 am
by BarbaraK
zacmoretz wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 am Y’all are kind of brutal on the ratings. I thought it was a great fun puzzle. Fun/clever rating is a four at least. Difficulty rating, OK, if I figured it out on a Saturday, it must have been pretty easy.
Not sure why rating the puzzle here as easy is "brutal". I was a bit surprised at how many presumably non-musicians still remember the basic notes from elementary school, but clearly almost everyone did.

The only quality rating I know of is the one on crossword fiend, and it's at 3.85 right now.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:56 am
by BarbaraK
OGuyDave wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 am I dabbled, befogged, asea, fazed. Had an idea, and exceeded each daffy ragged defect. Yea! Gaffnee gem! Bye / G'Day. Feedback?
I'm impressed!

I tried to come up with a set of words that would give a brief comment on the puzzle. Realized that nice, fun, good, like it, and whatever else I could think of wouldn't work because they all had an a-g already and gave up there.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:11 am
by Joe Ross
BarbaraK wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:52 am
zacmoretz wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 am Y’all are kind of brutal on the ratings. I thought it was a great fun puzzle. Fun/clever rating is a four at least. Difficulty rating, OK, if I figured it out on a Saturday, it must have been pretty easy.
Not sure why calling a puzzle easy is "brutal". I was a bit surprised at how many presumably non-musicians still remember the basic notes from elementary school, but clearly almost everyone did.

The only quality rating I know of is the one on crossword fiend, and it's at 3.85 right now.
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Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:17 am
by boharr
Bob cruise director wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:21 am Clever puzzle but the nit I had (and it may be a regional definition) was 34 A

When we were in college and the drinking age was 18
If you ordered a depth charge, the bartender would bring the shot and the beer and drop the shot glass into the beer
if you ordered a boilermaker, the bartender would bring the shot and the beer and pour the shot into the beer
and if you ordered a shot and a chaser he would bring the shot and the beer and leave both of them for you

So technically with the boilermaker there was no chaser.
While I'm sure there may be regional variations, these definitions applied back in my bartender days in New York. Still do in most places I might patronize.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:18 am
by OGuyDave
BarbaraK wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:56 am
OGuyDave wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 am I dabbled, befogged, asea, fazed. Had an idea, and exceeded each daffy ragged defect. Yea! Gaffnee gem! Bye / G'Day. Feedback?
I'm impressed!

I tried to come up with a set of words that would give a brief comment on the puzzle. Realized that nice, fun, good, like it, and whatever else I could think of wouldn't work because they all had an a-g already and gave up there.
Whipped up a perl program that goes against a dictionary file, looking for words that have exactly one letter from 'h' to 'z'. Ended up with 1129 words. Longest was 'deadheaded'. With more time and dedication. who knows what possibilities there were.

Did you realize that 'Barb' fits the requirement. 'Dave', too!

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:32 am
by zacmoretz
Joe Ross wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 10:11 am
BarbaraK wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:52 am
zacmoretz wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 am Y’all are kind of brutal on the ratings. I thought it was a great fun puzzle. Fun/clever rating is a four at least. Difficulty rating, OK, if I figured it out on a Saturday, it must have been pretty easy.
Not sure why calling a puzzle easy is "brutal". I was a bit surprised at how many presumably non-musicians still remember the basic notes from elementary school, but clearly almost everyone did.

The only quality rating I know of is the one on crossword fiend, and it's at 3.85 right now.

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Ah. Gotcha. I’m on my phone. Thanks Joe!

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 11:09 am
by BethA
I thought it was pretty tricky that even when you started down the right path, it looked like it wasn’t going to lead anywhere! What name would start k-t-o-s- ? Glad I kept going anyway.

Someone earlier mentioned the mnemonic for the staff lines. I learned it as Every Good Boy Does Fine. But the FACE (staff spaces) of BALDFACED really jumped out at me.

I started playing the flute in 5th grade and continued on through high school in symphonette and marching band. Still play occasionally, but mainly around certain holidays. Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Irish jigs around St Patrick’s Day. I listen more to classic rock or classical, no country (or western), but have heard of kt oslin.

Ps. I tried playing the TRUE notes - remaining letters from the theme answers, but couldn’t recognize it as a tune. That would have been really cool! Probably impossible to construct!

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 11:28 am
by flyingMoose
BethA wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:09 am Someone earlier mentioned the mnemonic for the staff lines. I learned it as Every Good Boy Does Fine. But the FACE (staff spaces) of BALDFACED really jumped out at me.
And I learned sharps as Go Down And Eat Breakfast First.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 12:16 pm
by TPS
BarbaraK wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:52 am I was a bit surprised at how many presumably non-musicians still remember the basic notes from elementary school, but clearly almost everyone did.
I didn’t - I knew the meta answer was going to have something to do with notes - I assumed it was going to be something more difficult but when SO MANY people got it so quickly I thought well maybe it’s just letters that aren’t notes - So I googled notes and then when I saw KT I google country singer KT and then looked to see if the methodology led to that. I was very pleased to have solved this one because music is definitely my weakest area.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 12:24 pm
by Al Sisti
BethA wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:09 am

Ps. I tried playing the TRUE notes - remaining letters from the theme answers, but couldn’t recognize it as a tune. That would have been really cool! Probably impossible to construct!
I believe that Pete Muller did that for one of his mega metas...yeah, here it is: https://pmxwords.com/2014-finale-sound-it-out-solution/

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 pm
by BethA
Al Sisti wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:24 pm
BethA wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:09 am

Ps. I tried playing the TRUE notes - remaining letters from the theme answers, but couldn’t recognize it as a tune. That would have been really cool! Probably impossible to construct!
I believe that Pete Muller did that for one of his mega metas...yeah, here it is: https://pmxwords.com/2014-finale-sound-it-out-solution/
Nice! I haven’t been doing MMMM that long.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 12:40 pm
by KayW
Al Sisti wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:24 pm
BethA wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:09 am

Ps. I tried playing the TRUE notes - remaining letters from the theme answers, but couldn’t recognize it as a tune. That would have been really cool! Probably impossible to construct!
I believe that Pete Muller did that for one of his mega metas...yeah, here it is: https://pmxwords.com/2014-finale-sound-it-out-solution/
Yikes. I wasn't doing MMMM back then but safe to say I would not have gotten that.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 pm
by bigmelr1180
I got it, but got lost in the weekend and didn't beat the deadline. This newbie is just pleased to be onshore even if I missed the party.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 1:22 pm
by Nlobb
I had the letters k t o s l i n right away. But I got bogged down for awhile trying to figure out what it spelled. Never heard the last name oslin. Never heard of the singer either. Finally the bell rang that k.t. could be initials. Boy, was I surprised to Google it and see that my answer was right!!! Lots of fun!!!!!!

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 1:52 pm
by Bob cruise director
What amazed me was that the constructors could find anyone of note's name where the two initials and a five letter last name did not contain any of A/B/C/D/E/F/G

So I was wondering how many muggles would qualify. I limited the count to those who had a WSJ account because I knew the first and last names and counted first initial and last name with five or more letters. Out of 417 who qualified we have 18. (Hey, it is cold and overcast here in southern Maine, there are no sports on TV and I am tired of watching old movies/documentaries or doing jig saw puzzles)

T Wilson
T Murphy
T Roszkowski
R Winski (sorry George)
T (or M) Runnion
R Otis
J Irvin
L Simon
R Johnson (sorry Cynthia)
W or S Horning
J Horton
S Timmons
R Wilkinson
W Koslosky
J Rising
S Smith
K Quinn
M Wolff

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 2:36 pm
by Bird Lives
boharr wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 10:17 am
Bob cruise director wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:21 am Clever puzzle but the nit I had (and it may be a regional definition) was 34 A

When we were in college and the drinking age was 18
If you ordered a depth charge, the bartender would bring the shot and the beer and drop the shot glass into the beer
if you ordered a boilermaker, the bartender would bring the shot and the beer and pour the shot into the beer
and if you ordered a shot and a chaser he would bring the shot and the beer and leave both of them for you

So technically with the boilermaker there was no chaser.
While I'm sure there may be regional variations, these definitions applied back in my bartender days in New York. Still do in most places I might patronize.
Wikipedia: A boilermaker can refer to two types of beer cocktail. In American terminology, the drink consists of a glass of beer and a shot of whiskey.[1] The beer is either served as a chaser or mixed with the whiskey. When the beer is served as a chaser, the drink is often called simply a shot and a beer. In Philadelphia, it is commonly referred to as a Citywide Special; in Texas, it is known as a Two-Step.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 2:40 pm
by Bird Lives
tigerfly222 wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:37 am
matthewmoravec wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:32 am This was a fun puzzle, and very easy for me but I have been reading music for 25 years--I wonder what it was like for those who never played an instrument.
I too wondered whether someone who doesn't read music would have agreed with the 1-star rating this week. I mean, I suppose after staring at it you might notice the repeating B's, E's and so forth in the answers to the starred clues, and eventually realize the gimmick. But this isn't the first time that I've been grateful that I learned music at a young age!
I'm also grateful that I didn't learn the notes in German or that H would have been a problem.

Re: "One False Note" - May 22, 2020

Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 3:02 pm
by CPJohnson
Bob cruise director wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:52 pm What amazed me was that the constructors could find anyone of note's name where the two initials and a five letter last name did not contain any of A/B/C/D/E/F/G

So I was wondering how many muggles would qualify. I limited the count to those who had a WSJ account because I knew the first and last names and counted first initial and last name with five or more letters. Out of 417 who qualified we have 18. (Hey, it is cold and overcast here in southern Maine, there are no sports on TV and I am tired of watching old movies/documentaries or doing jig saw puzzles)

T Wilson
T Murphy
T Roszkowski
R Winski (sorry George)
T (or M) Runnion
R Otis
J Irvin
L Simon
R Johnson (sorry Cynthia)
W or S Horning
J Horton
S Timmons
R Wilkinson
W Koslosky
J Rising
S Smith
K Quinn
M Wolff
I’m actually married to R Johnson..R L, in fact.